Steve Hall is taking a lot of shit for his column on the recent VT tragedy and the issue of gun control. (And I thought Prince’s songs were a sore spot over there.) It’s unfortunate because he’s expressing his passion on the issue and it’s getting lost on people taking it as a direct threat to their right to bear arms.
Geez man, people, c’mon, get past the words and hear the emotion behind it all. Gun control advocate or not, we should be outraged this happened. I am. However, I also come at the issue from a decidely different POV. Everyone has their own opinion and nothing I say will change that, nor should it. Just throwing my own meandering, frustrated rant out there for consideration.
I grew up around guns. While other 8-year olds were playing with the toy versions, I was shooting the real things on a range. Learned to handle, clean and respect them, as did my brothers. My father helped built a small firearms company out of Buffalo, NY which later grew into Charter Arms. If they made it, I fired it. We didn’t think twice about the issue of guns being right or wrong. They were part of our everyday life.
Except when it came time to explain what dad did for a living:
“No, he’s not a doctor like Jimmy’s dad. No, my dad makes guns. [crickets chirping] Yeah, the .38 used to shoot Alabama governor George Wallace? His. Oh yeah, and the one The Son of Sam used? .44 Bulldog. He made that too.” And if I wasn’t despised enough at that point, “Mark Chapman also used a CA .38 to shoot John Lennon.” Talk about a nice career hat trick. (My father was out of the company at that point, not that it matters to those swearing at me right now. Maybe there’s bad karma coming my way, who knows.)
Regardless, every single time there was a major shooting, I’d hear the gun control debate loud and clear. “Guns don’t kill people...,” or “You can pry my gun from my fingers....” “Someone gets attacked with a baseball bat or knife, we’re not going to now eliminate all the bats and knives, are we?” All of it.
Now you can argue the number of guns we have in this country is so plentiful that by eliminating them, we cut down on the ratio of deaths from them by default alone. Maybe. But realistically, as long as there are some bad motherfuckers out there bent on doing what they do, they will find the guns or other weapons. They’ll likely steal them from law-abiding citizens if they have to.
They always do.
Now if you haven’t stopped reading at this point or aren’t throwing rocks at the screen, I’ll also say that while I feel there needs to be some form of general gun control, I can’t support eliminating them. Cops need them first of all. (Game hunters, please, you don’t need an AK for Bambie. Not even Chuck Heston can convince me they do.) But secondly, trying to take guns off the street does nothing to eliminate the ones that will be hidden as soon as you make the move. You’d have to declare martial law and go house to house to get them all.
Good luck there.
Inevitably, the first thing you hear after a shooting like this is, “Well, if there were gun control, there would have been no gun for so-and-so to use.” Ok. But we live in the real world, not the ‘if’ world, and we do have a lot of guns around. Wishing they weren’t doesn’t deal with the fact they’re out there now.
This nation was built on firearms, and that hasn’t changed, has it? If you wanna go further, then take Chris Rock up on his idea and have more bullet control–charge $5,000 per round. Instead, I propose there’s something else we need to better at: whacko control.
Make that, whacko detection. (And before I get comments saying I’m not being PC, how about ‘detection of people with mental health issues.’ Better?
Metal detectors in schools may pick up a concealed weapon, but who detects the list of ‘people to kill’ that some kid has in his backpack, and why aren’t they doing a better job?
To misuse another farm metaphor as I tend to do, we’re really good in this country at fixing the barn door after the horse escapes. Hell, we reassembled a 747 from nothing and determined within feet just where in the cargo hold the radio with C4 was placed that had brought it down over Lockerbie, Scotland. And in the coming days, we’re going to apply that same Good Old US of A can-do spirit and find out much about this VT shooter:
His grades. His favorite bands. His myspace friends. His dog’s name. Even the vultures on network TV news channels under the guise of “making sure it never happens again” will interview his neighbors and his coworkers for those ‘signs of trouble.’
And it won’t fucking matter.
Because we SUCK at figuring out ways to prevent that horse from escaping in the first place, let alone knowing why it wanted to. And those signs of trouble? We do nothing about recognizing them. The very characteristics and warning signs we’ll soon discover were there all along in this case.
We always do.
How many examples of ignoring the troubled, the evil people, do we need?
For weeks leading up to the Columbine massacre, the mother of one of Satan’s Spawn heard constant banging of pipes and noises late at night in her kid’s room. They wore all black and were writing hate messages on their own web pages. Yet she dismissed the sounds as nothing, returning to her work. She didn’t even know about the writings.
It’s stuff like that which truly outrages me. This denial, this attitude of, “Oh, they’re only kidding” or “They’re kids being kids.”
This has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with failure to act on what is right in front of you, that which you know feels wrong. (And if anybody should be blamed in this, it should be VT for not locking down the whole place sooner.) After all we’ve gone through at this point in society, every threat must be treated seriously. Two hours later? 30 more dead. Officials act as if they can sleep at night knowing they did all they could.
Yeah, right.
Until we take them seriously and deal with the depressed person who says “What’s the use,” or “I want to end it all,” the student who says they “have a list” or “people will be sorry,” the despondent former boyfriend who keeps stalking his ex even with a restraining order in place...
This. Will. Keep. Happening.
So while we should think about the families left behind who lost somebody in this, also think about the others around you who are asking for help in subtle ways. Cut off access to their illegal and legal guns if you want, especially if it’s determined they have mental health issues, but take them seriously, because they will find some other way to hurt themselves and others.
They always do.
Wednesday, April 18, 2007
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And if anybody should be blamed in this, it should be VT for not locking down the whole place sooner.) After all we’ve gone through at this point in society, every threat must be treated seriously. Two hours later? 30 more dead. Officials act as if they can sleep at night knowing they did all they could.
So try to lock down the campus, right? Then they would have possibly locked him down in his dorm room - then the massacre would've happened at Harper Hall, not Norris.
Perhaps they didn't think to lock down campus as they were busy locking down an elementary school the described suspect had been seen near.
I'm sure President Steger and the rest of the faculty and law enforcement will never not think twice about the decisions they made.
Disagree with me or not, that's my opinion. The rest of your post I agreed with.
It’s all good. To clarify, the email students were waiting for should have said, stay where you are and don’t go out, the area is not secure yet. Two hours passed though. This wasn't some rash decision they made in two minutes. If they didn’t know for sure, then err on the side of caution and keep people where they are. Nobody did a building to building search for this guy?
On top of which, he had history with the police department for stalking women. How many clues did they need, ya know?
Well, as we’re seeing via the VT shooter’s video manifesto, as well as reports indicating plenty of people saw the warning signs, it appears your whacko detection notion will be difficult to execute. No pun intended. Don’t expect schools to replace the metal detectors with mental detectors.
To digress momentarily, the issue I have with Hall’s rant is that it’s, um, naïve. That is, what did he really expect to accomplish? As I posted on that thread, this industry can’t even solve simple issues like diversity. Come to think of it, despite plenty of pro-bono campaigns, we’ve also failed to end drunk driving, smoking, domestic abuse, drug abuse, and just about every other social ill. But hey, we’ve managed to win plenty of awards while trying.
There are ways to solve the problems, but no one wants to bite the bullet. Again, no pun intended. The Chris Rock idea may be the smartest one yet. For example, when working on anti-smoking ads, we came across an interesting fact: the most successful anti-smoking initiatives involved raising taxes on cigarettes. People won’t smoke if it’s not affordable. That’s why Big Tobacco goes ballistic whenever the threat of higher costs and taxes are introduced. It would probably be a similar reaction with guns and ammo.
The VT incident is a tragedy of major proportions. Given all the things being revealed, there will undoubtedly be plenty of lawsuits. But it’s unlikely there will be plenty of solutions. Because that, after all, would require deliberate thinking and measurable tactics. And a common agreement on the real problems.
I think being in this community and having first-hand knowledge of how administration acts is making me look at this completely different.
I personally think that with the information they had at the time - the reports of shouting and the suspect description - that they made a decision they thought was right. IMO, no one could have known that this madman was planning what he was.
And stalking? 1 or 2 annoying emails where the girls didn't press charges. Having friends that have been stalked, NO ONE can do anything until the person actually does something. The creep never DID anything. He just creeped people out. And in our society you can't take action against creepy people, because even creepy people have rights.
It's nice that everyone can sit back and look at the entire background with the knowledge of what to look for and how to put it together. With 26,000 students the VT police were probably busy with security, rapes, robberies and other crimes and disputes to monitor him.
I hate the idea that so many people are already trying to point blame at everyone else but this sick kid and talking lawsuits before investigations are even finished. The damn week isn't even over yet.
Anyways, your post was about guns and I've taken it in another direction. I've never heard of this place - but I've been told to google Kenesaw, GA, not sure on the spelling.
TIV - Maybe that's the problem. We're letting creepy people off too easy.
It was more than a few emails when you look at his pattern of behaviour in everyday life. A court that let him go even after determining he was a danger? This guy creeped everyone out he came into contact with, even those who were evaluating him. What does it take? He'd been thrown out of classes by teachers and the police knew about him. All the shit we're finding out now–his violent writings and so forth, well, they knew then. I can't see this as a Monday morning QB thing.
His mental health issues. You can't say there were no warning signs there for sure. And I'm sorry, but your response is kind of what I'm getting at. We tend to downplay the potential danger of someone like this because “it was only a few emails or only a few...”
Taken as a whole, why wasn't he taken more seriously? Right now, if you walk into any airport and act nervous, maybe clutch your backpack, you may be the nicest guy in the world, but you don't think the feds are grabbing you for a little talk?
Now what I'm saying about response times, is look at what happened the day after with another 'scare' they had there at the school. You'd think the army was called in with the response they had. It was quick and decisive.
Why didn't it happen 24 hours earlier though? It's certainly not an issue of can't. They just showed they could.
So what is it? I go back to apathy. “Oh, it's just a random thing. He would never do anything like that.”
They surely had an ID on his first victim, (his ex). She did file a complaint against this guy. How is there such a lapse in detective work-over two hours-in finding out he wasn't at a school they said he ran to.
Here you go:
SFX: Brrring. Brrrring. Brrrring.
VT official or police:"Hello, elementry school?”
ES: “Yes?”
VT: “This is the police. Any crazed gunmen there?”
ES. “Nope.”
VT: “Thanks. Bye.”
How hard was that?
Now, if were going to go ahead and do something about protection for the future, then maybe we need to adopt the airport method where everything is screened now. Would totally suck but what else can we do.
Metal detectors in buildings and dorms. Armed guards on every floor. At least they'll be on the scene to get off a 911 call.
I personally think the last thing I'm doing is downplaying his actions. I've heard people that want Steger and Flinchum fired or in jail because they didn't put the pieces together the way everyone else assumes they personally would have had they been the ones in charge.
The problem is is that he wasn't continuously stalking the girls over an extended period of time, he wasn't found a danger to others - he was found a danger to himself and was ordered counseling. The interviews with his roommates say they thought he was shy or that he didn't speak English.
I'm not downplaying his actions in the slightest. His teachers reported him. His roommates sought counseling for him. The police questioned him. The state order counseling for him. I'm saying that, IMO, the administration and VT police aren't necessarily who people should be pointing fingers at 3 days later.
As far as the Wednesday bomb scare - their was a strong police presence already on campus ready for this kind of thing. I've been on THAT campus during a bomb threat in the freaking building that supposedly had the bomb and never knew it because that place takes care of everything as quietly as possible and tries not to cause panic or interrupt classes. Nobody knew about those 3 other bomb scares till well after they happened. And maybe I'm not pointing fingers because I already knew this. And you may be horrified to learn that.
And I'm sure that policies are going to change. It's just that in my opinion, the policies and laws are what need to be looked at, not necessarily the actions of certain individuals. Like I said I'm sure that if Chief Flinchum and Steger knew then what they know now they would've tried everything they could have. But it still would've taken time to lock down the campus and no one could hear the PA announcements because the wind was blowing so hard.
And I was under the impression that that kid never had a girlfriend. His victim in West AJ was not his girlfriend and I don't think she was one of the two who reported him in 2005 considering she was a freshman. And I don't believe the suspect ran to the school, he was seen heading in a general direction in which the school was located. I guess it's a shame police can't read minds.
I'm sure things will change and hopefully those changes will prevent horrible things from happening.
That's another part of the problem too. All the things I'm reading on Drudge contradict stuff on NBC.
It's not a matter of reading minds either. I don't expect them too. It would be one thing to say they had zero clue–but they did in this case. Can you predict when someone will murder? No, I doubt anyone can. Can you say there's likely gonna be a problem though if you know other things about someone though? Like depression, anger, violent writings, complaints from others.
In that case, I think you can make a pretty good educated guess that this guy is headed for trouble. Because if not, then we're lost. If no health care pro after looking at this situation doesn't take another look at their current patients for similarites, we're doomed to repeat this thread next year.
And VT officals were the ones saying they thought he ran off to another school. I'm saying, ok, until you know, act accordingly and don’t assume it's over.
Lotta places handle threats quietly so as not to cause a panic. Rightfully so because you don't want someone hurt over an empty threat fleeing for an exit. I used to live near Fairifield University a few years ago when a pissed student came back and said he had a bomb in his backpack.
There were copters everywwhere and they sealed off the building. It ended peacefully but if this guy really wanted to hurt people, he could’ve done it. (Perhaps he wanted to get caught, who knows.)
But still, is downplaying it part of the problem, (and I meant people in general, not you specifically). Does this give a false sense of security if there's no lockdown, you know?
Policies should change, I just don't know which ones. Maybe the ones along the way that should keep someone like him in a hospital for obervation before releasing him. I mean, where are his parents in all this?
Yeah, let's let the lonely depressed guy with no family roam around free espeically when we know enough about his past actions and state of mind.
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